Königsberg, East Prussia - Remembered (website feedback)

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Feb 6, 2012 Philip   Your site was enjoyable. Don't let that beauty that once was perish. I and those who cherish beauty and history - Thank you.
Feb 3, 2012 Sheila   Having just visited Berlin with many visits to museums showing how people can be subjected to such horrors, I bought a box of Konisberg Marzipan. I have just read the history of the city online and again aghast at the horrors of suffering people. All politicians should read the history of these times.
Feb 1, 2012 Luke   Good web site, seems to lack any detail on real Prussians on who's land and bodies this German town and province were built. What go's around comes around. At least Soviets left some East Prussians alive the Pagan Prussians who's name the German colonizer's also stole were not so lucky .

(Admin: While the Teutonic Knights did apparently kill a lot of the indigenous population in that area during their Baltic conquest, many - if not the majority - of the locals  would have survived,  and they - and their subsequent generations -  lived happily ever after after they were assimilated into the new order.  That was the way of the world in those days - and not any different  from most  other areas in Europe. Tribal warfare by any other name.  But if that was in any way the justification for destroying hundreds of  years of nation building and western culture, by incinerating thousands of innocent people in their beds and voiding  survivors from their home lands some 700 years later in Konigsberg - well, Luke, let's hope you're not in charge of the next murderous army that seeks to set right the wrongs of some distant past by under the motto of " What goes around, comes around")

Jan 20, 2012 Steve   A fine old city perverted by the Nazi regime ... and a truly tragic ending! However, no amount of historical revisionism can distort the reality of who started it all and collaborated zealously to the end to bring about the inevitable final result. They that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind. So true ... so unfortunate ... and for the innocent ... so haunting and unspeakably tragic.
Jan 18, 2012 Peter Scriven   I happened upon your website from looking up the poet Simon Dach. I have a Lithuanian customer in Bristol UK and she gave me a small book about Lithuania in which a statue is shown of Simon Dach. I followed the link to Königsberg and found your website.

I was born in the UK during WW11 and reading the devastating account of the assault on your city appalls me. I visited Dresden in July 2011 for the first time and my feelings were the same. War is futile and only a few gain by it, most suffer and in particular the hard working of the lower ranks.

Your site and all the history it tells is harrowing but necessary to tell the world about your once beautiful city and it's humiliating demise. I hope those who can remember it as it was will gain a tiny fragment of pleasure in the rebuilding and reconstruction of some of the old remains. I hope many more will come to visit your site and larn as I have about Konigsburg.

Jan 14, 2012 Claus Petersen Denmark A very interesting and beautifully made site, but in a way also very depressing to see a beautiful old town destroyed by war, and that none – as it seems - of the old historic buildings were rebuild. My interest stems from the fact, that I recently discovered that my 3 time grand father, Adam Friedel, was born 1788 in Königsberg, and migrated in the early 18th century to Denmark where he became a Danish citizen in 1811.
Jan 12, 2012 Frances Lexutt USA My husband and his family were from Laukischken, Labiau East Prussia. While his father was in British prison camp in Italy, my husband, his mother, grandfather, grandmother, aunt and 3 cousins (1 child died in 1945) were taken from their home and kept from 1945 until 1949 some place in Russian in a prison type camp. They were released in 1949 and subsequently made their escape to Western Germany and lived in Hamburg before coming to the United States in 1956. Due to the trauma of those times my husband (now 73) suffers from PTSD. Thank you for making sure none of us forget what these people went through.
Jan 11, 2012 anonymous  

Thx so much - and yet recall - leading German (!!)politicians such as Schroeder (and Merkel?) joined the Russian/Soviet May 8 celebration in Moscow - with banners flying hammer and sickle with placards of Lenin and Stalin! No mention of Soviet mass-murder - of Russians - or others.

Dec 4, 2011 oma R. Canada Your history of Koenigsberg after WW11 struck a cord with me. Both my parents were born in Koenigsberg. I recall my mother telling me that her father and stepmother died in that horrible winter when they had to leave Koenigsberg. We had to evacuate our town and ended up living behind the Iron Curtain until we immigrated to Canada. War is a terrible tragedy where mostly innocent people perish.
Thanks for the website.
Dec 3, 2011 CCMW   Thank you for this very well presented website though seeing the destruction of this jewel of the Baltic was very depressing. I have my own small contribution to this story at http://nccg.org/preussen
Nov 29, 2010 Colin Epton   Some years ago I bought an old atlas in a junk shop and wondered what happened to all the old towns of eastern Europe after the war. When I did the research I found the story of the destruction of Konigsberg particularly haunting. Pre-war photo's show a charming, prosperous city, with its people going about their business with no idea of the horror that will soon befall them. Yours is an excellent site with plenty of interest, keep up the good work. The memory of this city and its people should not be allowed to die.
Nov 25, 2011 Ian  

This website is interesting and it is now possible to visit Konigsberg with the travel company Regent Holidays which specializes in unusual locations. I have recently read "Forgotten Land" by Max Egremont which is an interesting and very sad account of the last days of Konigsberg and East Prussia. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union the world has changed for the better and it is now possible and I hope to see the section of East Prussia currently occupied by Russia returned to Germany in the manner of the former GDR.

(Admin: Thank you, Ian.  I believe it to be highly unlikely that that the Russians will either rename the city back to Konigsberg or return the enclave to Germany.  At the 750 anniversary of the city in 2005 the name Konigsberg was not being used during the celebrations - simply '750 years of Kaliningrad'.  To give this some context, as much as Russia has become more open about acknowledging its troubled past under its previous soviet rule – including such things as the Katyn Forest massacre – it seems there are still a majority of Russians who think that the dictator Stalin is a figure to be admired, and this despite the fact that historians have estimated the number of people that have perished under his absolute and brutal regime to be somewhere between 15 and 30 million. The vast majority of victims would have been his own citizens. In this he is likely only second to his fellow  communist dictator and genocidal butcher Mao Tse-tung in having more deaths of his own citizens on his conscious. So long as the majority of Russians aren't filled with a sense of revulsion when the name of Stalin comes up it is unlikely they are willing to redress any of the criminal actions that were perpetrated in his name. However, there is always hope for the future - but I assume we'll have to wait until ex-KGB operative Putin  - who's wife, incidentally, is from Kaliningrad - is no longer in charge of the country)

Nov 13, 2011 Allan UK This is a wonderful site and it is extremely moving. Whilst the beauty of Konigsberg comes through in the photographs, what I find most disconcerting are the people in those same photographs - going about their everyday business, shopping, playing, working etc. We know they and their families have no long term future in this city. They are either going to die in the air raids or evacuation/expulsion or are going to have to move hundreds of miles away and start all over again.

The contrasting photographs of old Konigsberg with present day Kaliningrad are quite upsetting and depressing. When Warsaw was rebuilt there was an attempt to recreate the city as it was. No such attempt appears to have been made in Kaliningrad, which looks a particularly drab and uninteresting place. No offence intended to present day citizens.

Konigsberg/Kaliningrad should stand as some sort of world heritage city alongside places like Coventry (where I live), Dresden, Hamburg, Lidice, Oradour-Sur-Glane, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Rotterdam, Warsaw, Guernica etc as testament to the fact there are no real winners in war, the innocent so often suffer for the sins of the guilty.

Many congratulations for creating this very poignant tribute to a lost and in many ways forgotten treasure of Eastern Europe.

(Admin: Thank you for your comments - and with due respect to the citizens of Kaliningrad today who are completely innocent with respect to the destruction of Königsberg,  most recently they appear to have been making an effort to recognize their city's link with the past, including celebrating the 750 year anniversary of Königsberg / Kaliningrad in 2005. Towards this occasion, some of the  bombed-out buildings left standing have been restored to a degree, and apparently more are slated for restoration based on the availability of funds.  I'm still working on a photo page for this site that will attempt to show some of it and will publish it soon.)

Nov 11, 2011 Marty USA Enjoyed very much your website. Photos provide a great deal of insight into the history of 20th Century Konigsberg/Kaliningrad.  I hope to visit someday. Greetings from USA.
Nov 1, 2011 Ruth   Well done! A very interesting collection of information. I would be interested in reading more. I would be glad to see the original name restored!
Oct 31, 2011 Hans Fuss   Great web site especially the old photos.
Both my parents were from Prussia and both spoke very highly of the city and it's beauty.
I am an avid reader of the area and the turmoil that occurred there.
Keep up the great work and THANK YOU
Oct 31, 2011 anonymous   Most enjoyable
Oct 30, 2011 Robert Schultz   My great , great, grandparents left Konigsberg to escape the war in Prussia. Do you know of local churches etc that might have genealogy information in the city? I will be in the Konigsberg this spring.
Thanks,
Rob
Oct 30, 2011 Teresa Schrubba   My maiden name was SCHRUBBA. I have just buried my father GUSTAV. (1925-2011) He did not speak of the war, but told me he was born in Kalinoven\Borschimmon, Dreimuhlen, Steinkendorf. He wasn't clear about any of these details. I have difficulty tracing these on a map after the name changes. He survived the war after being captured and taken to Canada, then following that to England. His father was a Blacksmith and I gather they had a small farm with pigs, cattle and horses. His parents, (my oma AUGUSTE STRALLA & opa LUDWIG SCHRUBBA) were taken by the Russians. However, oma was thankfully rescued by the British Red Cross and taken to West Germany. Dad met her once following the war. I have been really interested by this website and I am grateful to you for this small link into my late father's past. I would love to know more. Thank you.
Oct 29, 2011 Susan Kretchman   My grandfather was born in Koenigsburg in 1884. I did not know him; he came to the United States in 1910.I am trying to learn about Poland during the years he lived there.
Oct 22, 2011 Scott Lijon   I have always wondered as a child what happened to the Prussians who seemed to have disappeared after WWII. No history book has any mention of them...I am now saddened by the allies behavior towards the German civilians after the war...
Oct 20, 2011 Hans Robert   My father was from Konigsberg, born 1928, in the army 1944.He was taken prisoner when Konigsberg fell. He did not talk much of it but he did say a few things such as you cannot go back, the city is not there. He and a couple of prisoners jumped off a train in Lithuana and spent weeks getting back home where he was able to find my Grandmother (Oma). I cannot imagine what she endured. In 1948 or 1949 they were sent to E. Germany luckily my grandfather (Opa) was taken prisoner by the British in Norway I believe, and were able to reunite In the west. I do remember my father telling me when he was a prisoner and working on a dairy farm he had an to take a drink of milk and did, he said he new if he was caught by the Russians he would have been shot right there. Such was the fate of Germans at that time.
I guess that is why I savor drinking milk so much.
Oct 19, 2011 anonymous   How many web sites should be published to memorize thousands of villages and towns of the Soviet Union which were demolished by the upper race from Fatherland? How many innocent civilians never ever returned to their homes because were moved to German factories for work to death? I guess you know the answers. Regardless of that I still recon the older town on Konigsberg should have been preserved in better shape. Sad to know how many things couldn't be done for that. Luckily Cathedral at Kneiphof has been restored and not just because of German funding. The truth is it was joint effort and other source of funding were taking part. Do more for integration of sore hearts and not for splitting.

(Admin: Point taken - I've changed the language to say "the funding for this included financial support from Germany".  Thanks for pointing that out.)

Oct 19, 2011 Hana   I have been reading the Anthony Beevor book about the fall of Berlin in 1945 and am finding it both absolutely fascinating and horrible. The stuff he mentions about Konigsberg prompted me to go looking on the Internet and confirmed what a tragic, sad fate befell it. The main thing I draw from the whole thing is that through much of the 20th Century Europe went mad and the little people were the ones who suffered. Dreadful.

Oct 16, 2011

Dorothea Boucher  

Excellent report or account of events. As I was born in Koenigsberg, I still have a deep feeling for my birthplace and it's culture.

It makes me very angry how the allies decided over the German population and divided the country, cutting all roots off.

Oct 12, 2011 anonymous   You have truly told it as it really happened.  The story of Konigsberg is one of quiet desolation; being lost to history.  I believe it is time to tell its story, like you have done, and spread its side of post WWII occupation.  The saying is "to the victor goes the silence", and it is time for that phrase to become obsolete.  Very well done
Oct 5, 2011 Arno Vizenti  

Hello, I lived in Konigsberg until I was 16 years old, thank you for remembering my home town. I met a Russian born in Kalingrad in Nelson, New Zealand last week, here to play rugby in the Rugby World Cup. His name was Juri. Arno.

Sep 22, 2011 Paul Graves  

I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the Konigsberg site. My ancestors are from that area, and our original name was KRAMER. How wonderful to see the pictures of what once was. Is the movement to change to the name  back to Konigsberg really a hope, or a pipe dream? I would really like to continue hearing more about other sites in the old East Prussia.

June 5, 2011

Peters Vecrumba

 

USA I stumbled on to your site, you are correct, most are oblivious to the fate of Koenigsburg, its heritage as a center of learning and culture, its people--and the Allied role in extinguishing what little light was left at the end of WWII. A friend visited just after the Soviet era looking for his roots. There was nothing to be found.

Warmest regards, Peters (LATVIANS.COM, LOBH.ORG, among others)

May 5, 2011 Darlene Bluhm Bennett USA Thank you for that beautiful presentation on Konigsberg.  My father was born in Germehnen in 1893 and emigrated to the US in about 1911.  He was so proud of his homeland and missed it. I have been to Germany but Kaliningrad is too far from the tourist sites and I was not able to visit Kaliningrad.  I am so sad that beautiful city was destroyed.  War is terrible!
May 28, 2011 Giovanni Salieri  Italy

Thanks for mantaining the memory of Koenisberg alive. My father was in Koenisberg in 1938 and he was impressed by a city he was admiring may the memory never been lost Should any commemoration event be done let me know. I appreciate Your work - Thank YOU

Giovanni Salieri , Seregno,   Italy

May 18, 2011 Jason Head USA

My mother was born in Koenigsberg in 1941. She was a war refugee and fled. She ended up with another family in a refugee camp in Norway before she was adopted by an American family in 1946. Do you know if there are any records still remaining to help find her existing family. She passed away in 2003, but I would welcome any information that you have. Her name was Gisela Machinska, but I've heard that her last name might have been changed to make it less German. Thanks.

May 5, 2011 Ben Gregory UK

An incredible website. I am an architecture student, Konigsberg looks like it was a stunningly, beautiful European city. I would have loved to have been able to visit. It is tragic beyond words what happened there. 800 years of history destroyed in such a short space of time, and what its been replaced with utterly depressing.

I studied modern history up to A-level, and what amazes me is how the complete destruction of German cities and the ethnic cleansing of Germans form Eastern Europe is never mentioned, instead it is just completely ignored. It seems to me that very few people in the English speaking world have any idea that this even happened. Such a total eradication of history, culture, architectural and a whole people deserves to be in the history books?

Regards, Ben    

May 5, 2011 anonymous   Thank you. Webs like yours will make future generations remember what wars can do. Still, the descendants of the expelled like me are still waiting for the world to recognize what an injustice was made to innocent German civilians (my father is an East Prussian expellee at the age of 12), the same as has been recognized to Jews, poles, Russians, Palestinians etc
May 4,2011 Rita Richter USA After seeing this, I almost feel like I've been there. I am looking for Heilsberg, a village near Konigsberg on the Baltic Sea.  That is where my maternal grandmother came from.  She emigrated between 1880 and 1910C.  Could you do help me find Heilsburg?  I would deeply appreciate whatever you can do to either locate Heilsberg or find records relating to those years.  Her maiden name was Marie Druzinsky <
May 4, 2011 anonymous  

Very nice presentation. 

A truly sad story on the inhumanity of man.

Apr 25, 2011 Maxim Kaliningrad

Hello, my name is Maxim. I'm looking for are people which lived Koenigsberg befor war. I'm was finding some things and want give it back. Gold ring "B. K. 8.4.1928" - marry day, and men which birthday 03.05, surname Wehrum (Wehrim, Wehrm, Wehram), Gottsched str.

Jan 21, 2011 Peter Douvres  

It is truly sad what happen to this city and the people who once lived there.  Very few people in this country have no idea what happen to Konigsberg.  The cold war obscured the history of what happen to East Prussia.  I have always been fascinated by what happen to Germany during WWII and especially the destruction that occurred throughout the country.  There is a family in our congregation that fled East Prussia in 1945 and wrote a book about their escape.  They just missed getting onto the German ship Von Stuben which was sunk by the Russians. 

Can you tell me about your background and are you from Konigsberg.  I would love hearing your story.

(Admin: Sorry Peter - I have no connection to Konigsberg, other than having found its tragic story and feeling compelled to preserve the memory of this once great city and its people)

Jan 10, 2011 Ted Mai  

Thank you for this web site. Danke schon.  Ich mochte sagen das auf deutsch, aber mein sprechen nicht so gut ist.

I have been researching the events of post WWII Germany, especially Ostprussen, because my ancestors came from a little town south of Konigsberg, called Kinkheim.  Now it is in Poland and renamed Kinkajme. 

Thanks again

Nov 4, 2010 Mark Dams  

My Father was born in Konigsburg in 1917.  He died in Munhiem in 1988. He fought as a Luftwaffe pilot in WWII although because he never spoke of the war I never did learn how he participated or even if he was forced to participate in the fight.  He, my mom, my sister and brother fled Germany in 53 (after my Dad spent 5 years at a labour camp in Siberia after being caught by a Russian Army force literally hours after Hitler died. They went to start a new life in Canada where I was born in 62.  I still remember my Dad having a few paintings and drawings of his birthplace around the house.  Because I am facinated by the war and what happened after, I went looking for and found your site.  I remember my father saying, "you can't go back, it will never be the same".  I was never sure what he ment but after looking at the before-after shots, I think I now understand.  My mom and grandmother spoke about how difficult it was to abandon the city with only what they had on their backs while it

Looking forward to hearing from you. 

March 31, 2011 Steen Hanssen   Here’s my small contribution to keep alive the memory of Königsberg and East Prussia. Full article visit
http://honestcooking.com/2011/03/23/der-knodel/ promote the article by Like on Facebook or write a comment.
excerpt: ………Perhaps the most famous member of the Knödel family is the Königsberger Klöpse from the doomed capital of East Prussia. Königsberger Klöpse is essentially boiled meatballs made from veal or pork and served with white sauce, capers and cooked potatoes. Following WW2, Königsberg got nearly obliterated by Bomber Harris’s RAF and what little was left then got demolished by the Russians in their successful and thorough annexation of East Prussia. I mention this because in former East Germany (DDR) the name Königsberger Klöpse became an outright taboo. Any reference to the vanished German city of Königsberg (today Kaliningrad) was not welcomed by the party line and the dish was therefore officially renamed Kochklöpse, in response and with bitter irony people then began to call the dish Revanchistenklöpse (revisionistic meatballs). I find it quite compelling that the story of what happened to East Prussia and Königsberg lives on through the Königsberger Klöpse dish……..
Steen, Berlin.
April 8, 2011 Marchmoor   Max, you live in a world of fantasy and know nothing about war. Let me put this to you. There are no rules in war, certainly not in modern times. If an aggressor attacks, then the defender is free to use whatever methods are available to not only defend their own, but also extinguish the aggressor sooner rather than later. It might come as a shock to you but the business of war is about survival, there is little time to be deciding if a historic church will be destroyed or people will die. The days of gentlemen armies fighting in a field are well and truly over. Of course, post-war, the ‘experts’ move in and try and intellectualize and lay their own opinions on the event, from the comfort of their armchairs. It is not to say that the annihilation of people and cities is a good outcome for humanity…it is a sad footnote to human history, but first and foremost wars are about survival and whether you like it or not anything goes.
April 2, 2011 Max Murx   It is extremely interesting how those who deeply inside know very well what a horrendous crime was committed have swallowed and digested and now regurgitate all their own WWII propaganda they still need to defend those horrors against the inner voice in themselves. But they have a problem: Those massacres were not committed by a longtime vanished totalitarian regime like the Nazis, those were mass murders by western nations still claiming to be the keeper of the world’s ethical conscience. They think they can put others on trial. That assumption is based on one’s own moral bigotry. It is an open wound until honestly processed. The world can take the good example of the Russians. Taking responsibility for Katyn in no way has scratched their international reputation, in contrary, it was seen as an act of honour and dignity. Exactly such an act is what the world is waiting for from those “great victorious nations” of WWII, present superpowers or former empires. Probably it helps to know that 13% of those 600.000 German civilians, annihilated by Winston Churchill and friends were below the age of 10 years. It doesn’t hurt to say that killing of 80.000 children and babies was something really bad. Strategic necessity by the way is legally irrelevant. That excuse would render all laws of warfare and international conventions invalid.

There is still a crime of the present time to be prosecuted: all world asks why those atrocities are completely erased from the minds of those who suffered from them and also their descendants. Instead, Germans torture themselves with alleged eternally lasting collective guilt. Look at “Stockholm Syndrome” and PTSD and remember that there is one German generation which was a target of 3 genocides in one life: the British blockade and famine in 1919 AFTER the end of WW I (800.000 victims), the fire bombings of WWII (600.000) and the expulsions, killings and deliberate starvation during 1945 -1947 (17.000.000 of which 4 -5 million died)- The result is a pathological traumatic reaction until the trauma is healed, and since this process didn’t even start, this trauma will persist. The crime: The trauma is exploited by everyone. Not only by those having pressed € 200 Billion restitutions out of them but also by those misusing the victims silence and pathologic level of guilt feelings for alibi to justify their nations own atrocities, deliberately misinterpreting those symptoms as confessions. However: every trauma creates another one. Its time to think.
 
March 5th, 2011 Dr. Jay von Minden USA I am working on a book covering the social history of Koenigsberg 1800-1920 with an emphasis on the mundane work-week lives of residents. If anyone has factual information and would like to contribute, please email me at jayvonminden@aol.com . No detail is too trivial for this project.
Feb 27, 2011 Dr. Jay von Minden USA First, I wish to thank the web site author for compiling all this information and for keeping the topic of Königsberg alive. Next, I wish to underscore a few points for further consideration.

If we look at the bombing of Königsberg as some type of justice, we are making a cruel mistake. By 1944/45 the people suffering the Allied bombings were mostly women and children, many of whom were not even German. Refugees fleeing the Soviets began the westward march years ahead of the Germans. These included not only Baltic peoples (Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians) but also the French, English, and Russian P.O.W.’s who had been assigned to farms throughout East Prussia. There are many autobiographical accounts of those P.O.W.’s fleeing to Germany (and helping their East German captors) in the fear of being liberated by the Soviets. That should tell us something.
Moreover, the Allied bombings by this point in the war cannot be mistaken as having any military significance. These attacks were criticized by strategists (then and now) who felt that resources were needlessly wasted at the expense of compromising ground forces. The bombing of such cities as Königsberg and Dresden are signs of frustration and anger.

So when we read of personal accounts, let us remember that these people were children at the time. If we stand on the Biblical adage “a tooth for a tooth” we will find ourselves toothless and no wiser for the pain.
I think it’s important to note that everyone disregarded the East Prussian people. That includes the Germans who refused to allow their flight. When the order to evacuate was finally given, retreating German soldiers ran these civilians off the roads, leaving them to freeze or starve to death, committing them to the peril of crossing open fields and frozen water, and ultimately leaving an unknown number behind the lines when the Soviet advance overtook them. So I don’t think anyone contributing to a site like this is trying to defend the Nazis; to the contrary, I think it demonstrates that the Nazis didn’t care who they butchered so long as they fed their bloodlust and escaped leaving their people to pay the price.

A web site like this reminds us of other innocent civilians caught up in the insanity of WWII. Let us not disregard their stories because of their nationality. If we are to keep our humanity, if we are to remember the civilian cost of war, we must remember all of it.
Dr. Jay von Minden, USA.